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the film you're about to see has taken

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and has involved them in a trip around

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the world we have met the people at the

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heart of the ufo phenomenon

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and it is their opinion that ufos are

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a major myth about ufos is that only

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kooks quacks

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nuts strange people believe in them or

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interested in them or see them

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western australia is unique

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per capita i believe it has more

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sightings

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i think the meaning of the word ufo is

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that they are unidentified

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and as long as they're unidentified we

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better try to identify them

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and that people you know waste a great

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deal of energy saying do you believe in

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well the thing i believe in is they're

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actually everybody i bumped in bump into

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fascinated with the subject or willing

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people are describing um a technology

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technology there are a number of uh

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psychological and if you will even you

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know let's use the word psychic

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we did not notice teeth in fact when

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bonnie was lying on the table looking up

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one of them appeared to have sort of a

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which flooded behind his lips it looked

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skinned however you look at the

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it is not the 99 you can explain it's

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and in this last category we include a

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sighting close to perth in 1976

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representative for dr heineck's ufo

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moonrise 325 one mile north of wanaroo

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australia jeff bell what are we doing

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well on february 8 1976 at this precise

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two chaps were going along this road uh

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north of uh wanaroo road

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they sent us this report

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we saw this red light low in the sky

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approximately a mile north of burns

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beach turn off in

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thing whether it was a plane or

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something else and

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on approaching i could see it wasn't

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moving we were

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catching up to it getting level uh with

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this object i couldn't see the red light

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on the back so

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passenger side door

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and watched this thing and my mate moved

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pink lights coming from windows what

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very very slowly in a southwest

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direction about

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400 to 500 meters and stopped

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we packed them and took off do you think

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that looks like a hollywood movie

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unbelievable

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star wars the film that is likely to

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history

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observer's seat and into the pilots

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that after all is where we'd all like to

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none of men's fantasies of evil can

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this is the extraordinary motion picture

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of the best-selling novel jaws

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that's a 20-footer 25

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three tons on he's coming straight us

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don't screw it up now don't wait for me

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before star wars jaws grossed more money

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at the box office than any other film

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at an exclusive interview in hollywood

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its director steven spielberg

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told us that while he was up to his neck

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he was really thinking of his next film

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a film concerned with ufo just after

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i came back and i wanted to relate to

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dry land and i also wanted to think

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about close encounters so i went out to

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which is the desert near mojave there's

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like a grain of salt and the stars are

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turned the lights out and sat on the

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myself if something

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and an opening appears would i get on

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that i wouldn't get on and take a ride

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by embracing and romancing that thought

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that i got back in my car i drove back

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to los angeles i was terrified

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most people think the interest in ufos

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is limited to a few cranks

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intelligent people who get together at

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international conferences

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all over the world to study them we

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visited one at chicago to interview the

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man who for 20 years

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security investigation into ufos

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was worthy of scientific study and what

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is more 64 of the astronomers who

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uh gave what would be called ufo reports

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objects sightings that they personally

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which to them was unexplained one of the

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the same thing in their own terms what

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an object that seems to be able to to

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maneuver it seems to be a technology

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an ordinary man in an ordinary street in

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but this man started the 1947 wave of

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sightings that swept the world

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when he claimed to have seen from his

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mountain rescue plane

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near mount rainier oregon the date

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later when asked by a reporter to

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describe how they flew

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arnold said their motion was like

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sources skipping over water

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in the papers the next day the world

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flying saucer on june 24

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1977 thirty years to the day after he

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ken arnold consented to speak to us he

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had refused to make any public

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statements for the last five years

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it's easy to see that after thirty years

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he's still angry at the disbelief right

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here we've seen something i've seen

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something hundreds of pilots have seen

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something

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in the skies we have dutifully reported

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these things and we have to have 15

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witnesses before anybody's going to look

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why this is utterly fantastic this is

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than flying saucers or or people from

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arnold siting amazed many people but

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none more than publisher

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ray palmer kenneth arnold fits into it

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this is his 30th anniversary

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and strangely enough it's my 33rd

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because i knew about flying saucers

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three years before

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kenneth arnold made his first sighting

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in the middle 40s a man called william

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shaver had written to palmer about his

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alleged visit to a subterranean culture

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peopled by beings he referred to as

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deros and terrors

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what he wrote was to create another

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legend of ufo mythology

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briefly it was the story of of a

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radioactive flare from the sun around 12

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000 years ago

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which virtually wiped out life on earth

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and the survivors fled into space in

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spaceships

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while the the the persons left behind

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whom he called abandoned arrow

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went into into the cavern world and set

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up a civilization there

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which from that time on became

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contaminated because

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the atmosphere had to be drawn from the

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surface and so on in the water

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so they'd gradually degenerate it into

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what he called daryl's

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d meaning detrimental or destructive and

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we're being being a shortening of robot

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or robotic in other words he felt that

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these people were mentally controlled

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by robotic darrow influences in other

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words the radioactivity in their brain

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made them insane

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but they had at their access the

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wonderful machines left by this

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civilization which fled the earth

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which had been taken down into the caves

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and among them

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was a craft they called a roll at row

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again for

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robotically controlled uh instrumentally

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controlled and so on

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and in the caves they use these things

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which were discs about 30 feet in

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diameter

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to go through tunnels and the torturous

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caves underneath the ground for hundreds

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of miles

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even from continent to continent and

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they were controlled automatically so

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they

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did not touch the floor of the ceiling

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or the walls and therefore they had this

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flipping motion and they went through

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caves where they had a right angle turn

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they traveled around 1200 miles an hour

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when

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uh shaver heard about kenneth arnold's

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siding he wrote me very triumphantly and

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said

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you see these robots do come out of the

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caves

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perhaps the greatest surprise was when

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arnold reported his sighting to the

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nearest u.s military air base

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he found on the wall of the commander's

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office this classified gun site

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photograph which bore a remarkable

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resemblance to what arnold claimed he

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had just seen

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and shaver had discussed three years

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before

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something else ken arnold didn't know

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was that dr heineck

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was officially researching ufos for the

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us air force

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and compiling a classified report known

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as project

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blue book

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well it was as an astronomer that i

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first became associated with the ufo

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problem

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in 1948 the air force asked me

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as an astronomer to assist them in

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seeing how many of the reports on flying

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saucers that were coming in at that time

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could be explained astronomically and

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one thing led to another and i became

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scientific consultant to the air force

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and remained so for some 20 years

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i started almost as a complete skeptic

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because i thought the whole thing was a

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question of post-war nerves

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but it was the persistence of the

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phenomenon it refused to dry up and blow

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away

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it finally led me to the belief that

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we had a real phenomenon to deal with in

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the years that followed

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heineck was to investigate reports from

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all over the world

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soon clips of film like this one began

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to reach him

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this unique film that we've managed to

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obtain has puzzled

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scientists and experts all over the

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world and to this day

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remains a truly unidentified flying

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object

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meanwhile the media still referred to

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them as flying sources

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when in 1955 a group of italian

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scientists and cameramen went to

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photograph an eclipse of the sun

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from three miles up they were delighted

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to find not one

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but a group of objects which they

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proceeded to photograph

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next week the world's cinema screens

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carried the title

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three miles up flying saucers

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this year marks the 30th anniversary of

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the advent

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of the flying saucer and that is the

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most unfortunate term in my opinion

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because it invites ridicule it opens the

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door to a great deal of

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buffoonery and lampooning it had a

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perfectly good

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history because when kenneth arnold

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described

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the motions of the discs that he had

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seen he said that

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it was like skipping a saucer over water

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but some reporter thought that was a

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very clever

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uh term and flying saucers were born but

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it

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and so forth

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for instance uh uh one common expression

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is that if you want to see a flying

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sausage just goose a waitress what do

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experts believe

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ufos look like typically we're dealing

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with apparently round

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symmetric disc shaped objects definite

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size shape surface texture

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bigger in diameter than they are in

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thickness a protuberances that might be

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landing gears or antenna windows might

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be decorations too we don't really know

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things with definite size shape surface

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texture

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there are other reports of things with

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that are cylindrical

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long cigar shaped objects and

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if you look at the landing cases and of

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course i'm most concerned with landing

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cases then we have something to work

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with

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these are cases landing trace cases

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where ufo is seen on or near the ground

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and after it leaves one finds physical

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changes produced in the environment

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if you look at those cases and one

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researcher has collected more than a

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thousand such cases from 55 countries

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and they're similar whether you're

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dealing with sightings in australia new

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zealand you've got the same landing

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traces as in the united states as in

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south africa's in canada england france

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all over the world there aren't any laws

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of physics that stand in the way of

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flying saucers either getting here from

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other star systems or

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performing here once they're here uh

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many people think that you can't get

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here from there the fact of the matter

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is that there are published studies by

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reputable engineers and scientists and

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good technical journals

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showing that trips to nearby stars and i

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don't worry about the distant ones

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are feasible with reasonable round-trip

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time shorter than a person's lifetime

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without violating any of the laws of

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physics and using staged fission or

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fusion propulsion systems on both of

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which i have worked now

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we physically tested fish and nuclear

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propulsion systems when i was at

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westinghouse

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in 1967 we tested the nrx a6

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less than three feet in diameter power

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level 1100 million

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watts that's roughly the same energy it

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takes to light this

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to provide the electricity for the city

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as perth the city of light was viewed by

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apollo astronauts

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other ufo sightings were being made in

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australia

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dr heineck's worldwide organization has

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a branch in sydney headed by harry

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greensburg

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and bill chalker sightings in australia

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are so numerous

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that a special computer is needed to

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[Music]

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my name is andrew cole and i work with

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computers

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i got actively involved with the ufo

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investigation center

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after an experience of my own

492
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we started out with a very small machine

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which we were able to recover from scrap

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and make it do what we wanted to do with

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it but since then the files have grown

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and we now have several thousand files

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which we can look at and

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reference whenever we need and this

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it's hard to imagine uh here in the

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middle of sydney amongst all this

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modern technology how fred birmingham a

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parramatta surveyor would have reacted

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to what he saw

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he described seeing a strange aerial

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object shaped like a

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an arc moving in in a zigzag manner and

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apparently landing in nearby parramatta

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park

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what followed uh he was a description of

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meeting

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a being he called a spirit and an

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invitation

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to visit and walk on board this

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arc it paralleled

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many stories that are similar to it

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right around the world

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and you read about these stories and

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newspapers all the time

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but uh this story in fact is is what

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constitutes the

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first recorded place encounter in

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australia

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the date 1868. as an industrial chemist

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i specialize in the study of what we

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term

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close encounters of the third kind in

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this type of

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ufo sighting an unidentified aerial

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object

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inter-reacts with a physical environment

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thereby leaving a permanent

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physical record of its presence what is

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the rwaf's official view of this

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we visited them to find out

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squadronita white you're with the

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department of defense here in canberra

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is your function to deal with ufo

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inquiries entirely

539
00:21:00,390 --> 00:20:59,039
only partly in air force office here i

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have several duties

541
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one of which is to deal with what we

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prefer to call unusual aerial sightings

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ah now you departed from ufo uh for any

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particular reason

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yes we think there's a fairly good

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reason um to call them ufos

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the unidentified part of that statement

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is assuming immediately that we don't

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know what it is that people are seeing

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also objects what people see are not

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necessarily objects they can be weather

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factors

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marsh gas lightning that sort of thing

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the main problem that we see is the term

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ufo

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immediately conjures up in people's

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minds flying sources

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00:21:39,430 --> 00:21:37,200
little green men yeah so unusual aerial

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00:21:41,830 --> 00:21:39,440
sightings we prefer

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are there unusual aerial sightings that

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00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:43,280
cannot be explained

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almost definitely yes yeah is there a

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sort of percentile there somewhere that

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i'd say about uh 90 we can explain

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uh 10 percent on average we can't for

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various reasons

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they may be put in too late uh

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00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:59,039
insufficient information

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some are hoaxes but definitely some we

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00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:02,240
cannot explain

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yeah what's the it's a fairly uh

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unusual thing and we appreciate it very

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much that we can talk to you because

574
00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:12,240
it's i think fairly rare that um you

575
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:13,440
give interviews at all

576
00:22:19,830 --> 00:22:17,760
correct thank you uh what's the official

577
00:22:20,789 --> 00:22:19,840
policy that i think we should establish

578
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:20,799
yes i think so

579
00:22:24,390 --> 00:22:23,200
um in the early 1950s about the mid

580
00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:24,400
1950s

581
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:26,880
um the government of australia along

582
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:28,559
with the governments of america

583
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:30,960
and united kingdom uh thought there

584
00:22:34,149 --> 00:22:31,760
might be some

585
00:22:35,590 --> 00:22:34,159
threat to national security with the

586
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:35,600
sightings of all these

587
00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:38,720
peculiar happenings so they asked the

588
00:22:42,149 --> 00:22:39,520
iwf

589
00:22:43,750 --> 00:22:42,159
to investigate all the reports and come

590
00:22:46,870 --> 00:22:43,760
up with the facts

591
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:46,880
and after about 10 or 12 years

592
00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:49,679
we could not produce any information

593
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:50,640
that suggested

594
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:52,080
there were any interlopers from outer

595
00:22:57,669 --> 00:22:54,559
space the ten percent are so

596
00:22:58,470 --> 00:22:57,679
unexplained we couldn't explain but on

597
00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:58,480
the other hand

598
00:23:02,230 --> 00:23:01,039
they didn't suggest any interlopers the

599
00:23:05,590 --> 00:23:02,240
one thing of course that the

600
00:23:07,750 --> 00:23:05,600
ufo societies say to me

601
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:07,760
is that they believe that the our double

602
00:23:12,789 --> 00:23:09,600
af is passing information to the

603
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:12,799
usaf uh and other countries is that

604
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:15,600
true not exactly we don't have any

605
00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:16,880
direct liaison

606
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:20,240
with the usaf or the raf but certainly

607
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:22,080
we get inquiries from overseas

608
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:25,520
from the ufo societies from people

609
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:27,360
and we will answer them if they want

610
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:28,880
information on

611
00:23:31,909 --> 00:23:30,720
our sightings and we'll send it to them

612
00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:31,919
it is possible

613
00:23:35,190 --> 00:23:33,520
some of these reports will filter their

614
00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:35,200
way back to the usaf

615
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:40,950
that was the military air arm point of

616
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:43,440
view what about the civilian aviation

617
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:44,480
scene

618
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:46,400
this confidential report from a civil

619
00:23:49,830 --> 00:23:48,320
airline captain was given to us

620
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:49,840
reporting an incident that took place

621
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:51,279
over western australia

622
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:55,440
in 1976 the department of transport and

623
00:23:58,390 --> 00:23:56,080
you have no

624
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:58,400
known traffic in the vicinity in the met

625
00:24:01,990 --> 00:24:00,480
office knew of no possible cause for

626
00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:02,000
turbulence

627
00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:05,200
an object i'd

628
00:24:09,750 --> 00:24:07,840
estimate it was moving at say between

629
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:09,760
mark 2.5 to mark three

630
00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:13,200
that's uh around 2000 miles an hour

631
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:15,760
passengers were hurt and the stewardess

632
00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:18,000
was off for six months and

633
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:19,600
with an injured back and seats were

634
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:21,200
broken

635
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:23,279
we also spoke to a local air traffic

636
00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:25,039
controller who wishes to remain

637
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:27,520
anonymous

638
00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:28,880
i've been a radar controller for

639
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:30,640
something over 10 years

640
00:24:36,149 --> 00:24:33,520
and during that time i've seen several

641
00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:36,159
returns on the radar screen

642
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:38,720
they appear at an arrow and they they

643
00:24:41,430 --> 00:24:39,760
disappear

644
00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:41,440
and they don't appear to be able to be

645
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:43,120
explained by

646
00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:46,400
the stock answers which we we can put to

647
00:24:54,630 --> 00:24:47,840
such

648
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:54,640
balloons moving downwind some of these

649
00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:56,159
returns have been moving against the

650
00:24:59,590 --> 00:24:57,440
prevailing winds

651
00:25:01,990 --> 00:24:59,600
nothing as dramatic as perhaps the air

652
00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:02,000
traffic controllers in the states have

653
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:03,279
where they've actually been able to

654
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:05,919
investigate such sightings with aircraft

655
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:06,400
nothing

656
00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:08,240
as spectacular as that nonetheless

657
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:15,029
and from kalgoorlie airport last year a

658
00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:18,320
report from the duty meteorologist

659
00:25:21,510 --> 00:25:20,720
the ufo passed across the sky from the

660
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:21,520
northeast

661
00:25:26,470 --> 00:25:24,480
to the southwest not directly overhead

662
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:26,480
but a little to the south of me

663
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:28,320
the object looked oval from my viewing

664
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:30,880
angle it appeared in size about half

665
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:31,760
that a five cent

666
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:34,559
coin would be when held at arm's length

667
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:36,320
it was white and the whiteness seemed

668
00:25:41,190 --> 00:25:38,159
brightest at the edges which

669
00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:41,200
weren't sharply defined there was no

670
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:42,880
sound and not knowing the size of the

671
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:44,880
object it was pretty impossible to

672
00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:46,960
estimate its altitude

673
00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:49,600
the ufo took about 10 seconds from when

674
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:51,679
i first sighted it in the northeast

675
00:25:55,990 --> 00:25:53,039
to when it appeared to stop in the

676
00:25:58,870 --> 00:25:56,000
southwest at about 40 to 45 degrees

677
00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:58,880
elevation it seemed to stay there for

678
00:26:02,070 --> 00:25:59,840
about

679
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:02,080
five seconds then it seemed to just

680
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:03,840
vanish instantly without moving from the

681
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:05,279
spot

682
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:08,400
with a jumbo cargo of over 300 people

683
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:10,240
the responsibility on the pilot is

684
00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:11,520
tremendous

685
00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:14,080
did they ever see anything unusual on

686
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:15,279
eastern airlines from

687
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:18,559
l.a to new orleans and uh

688
00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:19,760
my production designer was on the

689
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:21,200
airplane with me was talking to the

690
00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:22,640
stewardesses about the movie we were

691
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:23,600
making and he mentioned one of the

692
00:26:28,710 --> 00:26:24,960
stewardesses that it was a

693
00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:28,720
film about dealing you know with ufos

694
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:29,919
and the stewardess apparently went into

695
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:30,960
the cabin and mentioned this to the

696
00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:32,080
pilot and all of a sudden this big

697
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:33,919
steely gray-haired guy with wings on his

698
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:34,559
chest

699
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:36,400
comes out the pile of the airplane they

700
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:38,400
point me out he sits down next to me

701
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:41,039
and he said uh are you will this be a

702
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:42,320
serious movie or is this just going to

703
00:26:45,669 --> 00:26:42,880
be a

704
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:45,679
a comedy or a or a sci-fi and i said no

705
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:46,559
we were taking

706
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:47,840
the subject very serious and then

707
00:26:50,549 --> 00:26:49,200
knowing that i wasn't about this laugh

708
00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:50,559
in his face and ridicule what he was

709
00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:51,360
about to tell me

710
00:26:54,789 --> 00:26:53,039
he sat down he told me two experiences

711
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:54,799
he had while flying with eastern

712
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:58,000
one was a nocturnal light

713
00:27:01,750 --> 00:27:00,159
that traveled very very quickly across

714
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:01,760
his glide path

715
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:03,120
it startled everybody because of its

716
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:04,400
speed it wasn't a shooting star it

717
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:05,520
wasn't

718
00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:08,080
up there it was eye level and moving

719
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:09,039
very very very quickly

720
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:10,720
something that was it was passing very

721
00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:15,669
in the shadow of some of the world's

722
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:17,919
tallest buildings we were told of the

723
00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:20,000
most dramatic ufo experience

724
00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:29,110
so we're traveling along when suddenly a

725
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:32,480
very strange looking maneuvering craft

726
00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:35,360
started following us for several miles

727
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:38,720
in an area called indian head this craft

728
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:41,840
left the highway came out i'm excuse me

729
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:43,440
left the top of the mountain

730
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:46,000
came out over the highway and stopped in

731
00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:47,039
midair

732
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:48,320
and we could see it through the

733
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:51,840
binoculars a curved

734
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:54,880
windows red light on each side that

735
00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:56,559
barney decided to get out

736
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:59,679
and try to identify this craft and he

737
00:28:03,029 --> 00:28:00,000
saw

738
00:28:03,669 --> 00:28:03,039
a group of human-like figures standing

739
00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:03,679
in the window

740
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:06,320
looking down at him and he had the

741
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:08,480
feeling that he was being told

742
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:11,520
to keep looking don't be afraid

743
00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:13,919
no harm's going to come to you and at

744
00:28:20,389 --> 00:28:17,360
that point the craft started to descend

745
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:20,399
bonnie was filled with fear

746
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:22,799
thinking he was going to be captured he

747
00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:24,720
ran back to the car

748
00:28:28,389 --> 00:28:26,320
and we took off speeding down the

749
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:28,399
highway

750
00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:31,200
we had a series of evening sounds and a

751
00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:32,240
few miles

752
00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:34,480
beyond this we heard a second series of

753
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:36,320
beeping sounds

754
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:39,679
now later in our investigation of this

755
00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:42,480
we began to realize that we could not

756
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:43,200
remember

757
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:45,440
what had happened between the two series

758
00:28:49,269 --> 00:28:47,039
of beeping sounds

759
00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:49,279
when the story leaked out an eminent

760
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:51,200
psychologist placed betty and barney

761
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:52,799
into deep hypnosis

762
00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:55,120
the hypnosis proved that bonnie and i

763
00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:56,240
had been captured

764
00:29:02,470 --> 00:28:59,760
and taken on board a ufo if

765
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:02,480
after the first series of beeping sounds

766
00:29:07,269 --> 00:29:04,799
we were speeding down the highlight

767
00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:07,279
bonnie left the main highway onto a side

768
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:08,000
road

769
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:10,480
and then a sudden left hand turned onto

770
00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:12,559
a very narrow

771
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:15,840
wood road the beings

772
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:18,000
whom he had seen on board the craft were

773
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:20,640
now standing in the middle of this road

774
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:23,039
and the car motor stalled the body was

775
00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:25,039
trying and trying to stop the car

776
00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:28,159
it wouldn't start they separated came up

777
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:31,520
and took us out of the car in two groups

778
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:33,840
they took us through a path in the woods

779
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:36,559
to where the craft was on the ground

780
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:39,520
took us on board took us into separate

781
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:41,039
rooms

782
00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:44,720
gave us physical examinations

783
00:29:48,789 --> 00:29:47,120
and during this examination we learned

784
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:48,799
they had put a cup-like

785
00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:52,000
instrument on bonnie's abdomen now

786
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:55,600
later when we returned home this

787
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:58,559
bonnie developed a pattern of warts in a

788
00:30:01,990 --> 00:30:00,320
perfect circle

789
00:30:04,149 --> 00:30:02,000
and we never knew until the hypnosis

790
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:04,159
that that was the spot

791
00:30:08,230 --> 00:30:06,559
where the this cup-like instrument was

792
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:08,240
put onto him

793
00:30:12,389 --> 00:30:09,600
well you're one of the few people to

794
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:12,399
have met aliens what do they look like

795
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:16,000
they all had very very large eyes

796
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:19,279
very small nose thin slit for mouth

797
00:30:24,789 --> 00:30:22,559
no hair no eyebrows eyelashes

798
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:24,799
and no this part of the ear that we

799
00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:30,870
we did not notice teeth in fact when

800
00:30:35,669 --> 00:30:33,600
bonnie was lying on the table looking up

801
00:30:37,029 --> 00:30:35,679
one of them appeared to have sort of a

802
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:37,039
membrane

803
00:30:48,830 --> 00:30:40,000
which flooded behind his lips it looked

804
00:30:52,389 --> 00:30:50,310
skinned

805
00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:52,399
but it's not an exclusive american right

806
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:54,320
to see ufos

807
00:30:58,470 --> 00:30:56,159
one of the most credible witnesses we

808
00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:58,480
interviewed was an australian minister

809
00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:01,440
the reverend william gill posted before

810
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:03,200
the time of his sighting to the

811
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:05,840
anglican mission in boine papua new

812
00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:07,360
guinea

813
00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:10,720
one night at 7 45 as he stood with 38

814
00:31:13,509 --> 00:31:12,159
other people at the edge of the mission

815
00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:13,519
playing field

816
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:16,640
every one of them saw the same thing can

817
00:31:22,389 --> 00:31:19,200
you imagine what it's like to

818
00:31:25,509 --> 00:31:22,399
look up in the sky and see

819
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:25,519
a totally foreign looking object they're

820
00:31:29,509 --> 00:31:26,320
stay as

821
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:29,519
just hovering uh not

822
00:31:32,549 --> 00:31:31,600
very high up maybe two or three hundred

823
00:31:35,669 --> 00:31:32,559
feet

824
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:35,679
up in the air and

825
00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:40,799
glowing and two

826
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:44,000
bipods jutting out from behind it from

827
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:48,320
underneath it and sparkling all around

828
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:52,240
and some figures up there

829
00:32:00,149 --> 00:31:56,480
this solid looking object and

830
00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:00,159
figures walking about on top

831
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:03,919
and not the slightest noise whatsoever

832
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:07,600
and so we waved

833
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:10,000
wouldn't it be wonderful if we could get

834
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:10,960
this object

835
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:13,679
down onto the playing field and as we

836
00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:14,960
waved

837
00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:16,399
wondering whether we'd get some

838
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:18,240
recognition and whether perhaps they

839
00:32:21,509 --> 00:32:18,880
would

840
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:21,519
uh understand what we wanted they waved

841
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:22,720
back

842
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:25,440
so i asked the boy to go quickly down

843
00:32:29,830 --> 00:32:26,320
bring the torch

844
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:29,840
bring me a pencil bring me paper and

845
00:32:33,909 --> 00:32:31,679
return as quickly as he can so that i

846
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:33,919
can get if or any other events that

847
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:34,320
occur

848
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:37,679
and minute by minute movements so that

849
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:39,840
at least we'd be able to to talk about

850
00:32:43,029 --> 00:32:41,279
it the next day

851
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:43,039
and this he did very very quickly he

852
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:44,640
brought it back and he brought

853
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:47,279
the torch and put the torch on and shone

854
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:48,000
it

855
00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:51,519
to the the craft and

856
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:54,559
as he did so he waved

857
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:00,789
this way and

858
00:33:04,470 --> 00:33:03,679
we were dumbfounded when we looked at

859
00:33:08,230 --> 00:33:04,480
the craft

860
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:08,240
responding to the torch

861
00:33:11,830 --> 00:33:11,120
it began to do this too you know like a

862
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:11,840
a

863
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:19,840
movement of the torch

864
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:22,720
next day uh just prior to the evening

865
00:33:28,149 --> 00:33:25,120
service about seven o'clock

866
00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:28,159
the thing was there again it had arrived

867
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:31,519
about an hour earlier and um we

868
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:34,320
all decided to uh have the normal even

869
00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:35,440
song that we

870
00:33:41,669 --> 00:33:39,440
do have on on those nights

871
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:41,679
because well the thing was out there

872
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:43,440
outside the church anyway and

873
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:44,960
we thought it wouldn't go away during

874
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:47,279
the service uh and it didn't

875
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:50,320
when we came out there it was still up

876
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:51,360
in the sky

877
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:53,760
and so for another hour or two we

878
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:54,799
watched

879
00:34:02,470 --> 00:33:58,960
um and then suddenly it did go

880
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:02,480
and there was this amazingly

881
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:05,519
incredible speed uh that the

882
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:09,599
whole craft disappeared uh to nothing

883
00:34:13,349 --> 00:34:11,679
across the bay uh in a matter of a

884
00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:13,359
second or so

885
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:15,679
from new guinea to china from china to

886
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:16,480
peru

887
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:18,480
native customs and beliefs reflect the

888
00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:20,480
history of such visits from gods of the

889
00:34:25,829 --> 00:34:22,000
sky

890
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:25,839
myth are these one jinnah from the

891
00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:27,200
kimberley

892
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:28,879
how similar they are to our own

893
00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:30,879
astronauts the ufo phenomenon didn't

894
00:34:34,629 --> 00:34:32,800
really start in 1947

895
00:34:36,310 --> 00:34:34,639
we have many sightings from during the

896
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:36,320
war before the war

897
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:38,560
in the 19th century and going back as

898
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:39,919
far as we have records

899
00:34:43,109 --> 00:34:41,839
and in that regard i've been especially

900
00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:43,119
fascinated by the

901
00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:45,919
possible parallel between ufo sightings

902
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:47,200
and folklore

903
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:49,679
if you think of the the winjina drawings

904
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:51,359
for example in australia if you think of

905
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:52,159
similar

906
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:54,240
cave drawings in from china to the

907
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:56,240
sahara if you think of the celtic

908
00:35:00,550 --> 00:34:57,839
traditions in brittany

909
00:35:01,430 --> 00:35:00,560
in the celtic in the celtic countries if

910
00:35:03,990 --> 00:35:01,440
you think of the

911
00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:04,000
american indian folklore all of those

912
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:05,680
have certain common

913
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:07,760
preoccupations with beings coming from

914
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:09,680
the sky beings wearing some

915
00:35:15,670 --> 00:35:13,280
some sort of of suit uh beings

916
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:15,680
the the whole mythology of contact

917
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:16,560
between

918
00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:19,599
men and another culture possibly coming

919
00:35:22,470 --> 00:35:20,480
from space

920
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:22,480
one night about 10 years ago in florida

921
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:23,599
park in perth

922
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:25,200
paul moynk saw something he couldn't

923
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:27,200
quite explain paul tell me about that

924
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:29,599
um well it would have been around about

925
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:31,599
10 or 11 years ago i think it would be

926
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:33,599
around about 1966

927
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:35,040
i was going to bed it would have been

928
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:37,359
about 11 or 12 o'clock at night

929
00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:38,560
i laid in bed looked out through the

930
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:39,839
window and i saw this thing going

931
00:35:42,870 --> 00:35:41,119
backwards and forwards

932
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:42,880
extremely fast i couldn't work out what

933
00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:44,240
it was so i jumped out of bed

934
00:35:47,349 --> 00:35:46,240
got both my parents out of bed and a

935
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:47,359
friend who was staying with us at the

936
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:48,720
time so there's four of us actually

937
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:50,640
seeing it so i wasn't by myself

938
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:52,880
and we stood out here and watched it for

939
00:35:56,710 --> 00:35:54,480
quite some time

940
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:56,720
and we thought what the heck is it it

941
00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:58,960
was just too fast to be a jet

942
00:36:02,950 --> 00:36:01,040
it was changing direction too fast to be

943
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:02,960
anything but

944
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:06,000
i would say ufo

945
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:08,560
in the same year this photograph claimed

946
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:09,920
to be a ufo

947
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:12,720
was taken from king's park in perth four

948
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:14,800
miles away from where paul's family live

949
00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:16,000
in florida park

950
00:36:19,270 --> 00:36:17,920
we got a surprise because we didn't know

951
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:19,280
actually what it was

952
00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:22,000
and we're puzzled and we couldn't tell

953
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:23,839
the shape of it because it was going too

954
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:24,880
fast

955
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:28,079
and it was going it was flying actually

956
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:29,200
like a kite

957
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:32,640
but much faster well actually

958
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:35,040
when we came out here to look at it we

959
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:36,320
noticed we couldn't work out the

960
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:37,839
distance it was because it was

961
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:40,079
sort of about the height of those clouds

962
00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:42,000
there and i was going between that land

963
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:42,880
pole

964
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:45,119
and that pine tree on the other side

965
00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:46,800
there backwards and forwards the way a

966
00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:48,320
kite would do if it was held there it

967
00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:50,320
goes backwards and forwards like that

968
00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:51,760
but it was not a kite because it

969
00:36:55,109 --> 00:36:53,680
couldn't go so far and it couldn't be

970
00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:55,119
lit up the way it was

971
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:56,560
it was yellow and was going backwards

972
00:37:00,870 --> 00:36:58,560
and forwards pretty fast

973
00:37:02,470 --> 00:37:00,880
and it will look very unusual you know

974
00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:02,480
and rather interesting but

975
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:05,119
of course it was fairly late and but it

976
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:07,200
looked like a ufo i really did think

977
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:08,480
that you know because i'd never seen

978
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:09,760
anything like that before

979
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:11,520
honestly i hadn't what happened in the

980
00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:13,200
end paul well

981
00:37:15,910 --> 00:37:14,480
the fact that was going backwards and

982
00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:15,920
forward so fast it wasn't actually

983
00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:17,359
stopping at each time that it got to the

984
00:37:19,829 --> 00:37:18,320
point that i wanted to

985
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:19,839
turn out it was just going there and

986
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:21,200
straight back again so it wasn't

987
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:22,000
stopping

988
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:24,560
and after that after it had been doing

989
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:25,839
this for quite some time it wasn't

990
00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:27,119
lighting anything up or looking at

991
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:28,640
anything it didn't seem to be

992
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:30,720
but it just disappeared straight away

993
00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:32,720
from us straight off into the north

994
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:34,960
past fast yeah it just disappeared like

995
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:36,400
it was going away so fast that it

996
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:37,680
disappeared into the

997
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:40,560
into the horizon sort of thing could the

998
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:42,000
swift disappearance

999
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:45,520
so typical of ufos because by pursuit

1000
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:58,150
well it was on the 6th of january 1968

1001
00:38:02,230 --> 00:38:00,240
just by the edge of the riverbank near

1002
00:38:03,670 --> 00:38:02,240
this golf course that i witnessed the

1003
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:03,680
landing of no less than

1004
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:07,200
two flying sources a negative craft and

1005
00:38:20,470 --> 00:38:07,440
a

1006
00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:20,480
next door to my home

1007
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:22,400
and these attracted the flying sources

1008
00:38:26,069 --> 00:38:24,240
which came and had a look at it while it

1009
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:26,079
was in its construction stages and when

1010
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:27,680
it was switched on especially

1011
00:38:32,230 --> 00:38:30,000
they came around in drives measuring the

1012
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:32,240
magnetic fields around it

1013
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:36,079
in those days in 1968 we had essendon

1014
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:37,839
airport in melbourne

1015
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:39,839
uh tula marine hadn't been built and

1016
00:38:43,349 --> 00:38:42,000
aircraft took off like flocks of birds

1017
00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:43,359
all over the place

1018
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:46,160
and this particular plane had to bank on

1019
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,320
this evening the sixth of the first 68

1020
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:50,640
in order to miss this flying saucer

1021
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:53,200
which then after it left the paper mills

1022
00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:54,800
trundled off across the sky

1023
00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:57,920
over here to the q boulevard so i

1024
00:39:01,270 --> 00:39:00,560
had my camera loaded up with 400 asa

1025
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:01,280
black and white

1026
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:04,240
eight millimeter film and i took it and

1027
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:05,920
followed this ufo

1028
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:08,720
down by the roadside by the river and i

1029
00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:09,040
got

1030
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:11,359
some spectacular film of a landing i had

1031
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:13,040
a sudden impression to look up

1032
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:14,880
and lo and behold this light in the sky

1033
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:16,640
was getting bigger and bigger

1034
00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:19,760
and i realized it was going to land

1035
00:39:26,790 --> 00:39:24,320
and it did land

1036
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:26,800
but i was so surprised because watching

1037
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:29,200
a ufo land isn't any normal event i was

1038
00:39:32,230 --> 00:39:31,040
so surprised i didn't get a picture of

1039
00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:32,240
the first landing

1040
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:34,000
and just as well because this was a

1041
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:35,760
landing by the men in black

1042
00:39:40,150 --> 00:39:37,599
what we know is the negative flying

1043
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:40,160
sources but after i'd recovered from my

1044
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:41,760
surprise i did

1045
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:44,800
get enough gumption to photograph the

1046
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:45,520
second

1047
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:48,079
ufo which came from ashtar command which

1048
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:51,040
was in hot pursuit of this first ufo

1049
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:53,440
and this is the one that landed in the

1050
00:39:58,390 --> 00:39:55,440
movie film i took

1051
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:58,400
now 10 years later this is the spot

1052
00:40:02,630 --> 00:39:59,440
where

1053
00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:02,640
the flying saucer landed and i revisited

1054
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:03,520
the

1055
00:40:07,589 --> 00:40:06,400
location and this is an approximate

1056
00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:07,599
angle

1057
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:10,240
of what i shot on my movie film 10 years

1058
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:10,880
later on

1059
00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:15,760
today this picture was taken

1060
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:18,319
the morning after the landing it left a

1061
00:40:22,309 --> 00:40:19,200
burnt circle

1062
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:22,319
60 feet big in the grass this second

1063
00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:23,440
picture was taken

1064
00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:26,000
seven years later of the same burnt

1065
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:26,800
circle

1066
00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:29,440
and as you see nothing has grown on the

1067
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:35,430
well now let's take a look at the bone

1068
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:36,079
circle

1069
00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:38,880
ten years later and see whether or not

1070
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:53,839
anything has grown

1071
00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:57,200
yes well this is the burnt circle um

1072
00:41:00,790 --> 00:40:59,440
a lot of flying saucer landings leave

1073
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:00,800
burnt circles

1074
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:04,000
and nothing has grown on this one

1075
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:06,160
since the original landing on that

1076
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:07,520
particular night

1077
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:09,200
and over the years we've come back to

1078
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:11,040
the boulevard and checked this area

1079
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:18,150
along with shaver colin cameron claims

1080
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:19,599
to have had contact with the

1081
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:22,000
subterranean deros and terrors

1082
00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:25,280
here in australia this belief should not

1083
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:27,280
be dismissed too lightly

1084
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:29,520
ray palmer came up with some astonishing

1085
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:30,400
details about

1086
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:32,880
chambers experience i think mr shaver

1087
00:41:35,349 --> 00:41:34,560
well he originally claimed that he spent

1088
00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:35,359
eight years

1089
00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:36,880
in these caves with these darrow and

1090
00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:38,400
tarot people t

1091
00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:41,920
being me being integrative and

1092
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:44,560
i discovered later much to my

1093
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:45,920
embarrassment

1094
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:47,520
uh that he had spent these eight years

1095
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:49,680
in the impsilante state hospital for the

1096
00:41:54,069 --> 00:41:52,079
insane in michigan

1097
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:54,079
i contacted the doctors and they said he

1098
00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:55,760
was catatonic

1099
00:42:01,109 --> 00:41:58,480
he lived in a world even had to feed him

1100
00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:01,119
in this imaginary world of his

1101
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:04,000
except for one thing when kenneth arnold

1102
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:04,640
uh

1103
00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:07,119
saw the flying saucers i put together

1104
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:08,480
two and two and i said

1105
00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:10,319
is the man catatonic or is there

1106
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:12,400
something else going on

1107
00:42:16,150 --> 00:42:14,640
but i got 50 000 letters we ordinarily

1108
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:16,160
get 50 or 60 a month

1109
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:18,079
from people who said mr shaver is

1110
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:19,280
telling the truth

1111
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:20,800
and not only that i have been in the

1112
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:23,119
caves too and i hear the voices

1113
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:25,119
i've been hearing these voices now for

1114
00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:27,119
oh for about the next seven years

1115
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:28,960
onwards every night

1116
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:31,839
and uh until i started taking some

1117
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:33,280
infrared film

1118
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:36,480
which i'd read in a book by um i can't

1119
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:37,599
think of his name now

1120
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:41,520
but uh trevor james and um

1121
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:44,079
he had at the suggestion of astar space

1122
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:44,960
command

1123
00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:47,680
taken infrared photography and got these

1124
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:49,520
invisible flying sources

1125
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:51,680
so i thought well as these entities were

1126
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:53,440
invisible and they were bothering me i'd

1127
00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:54,720
try some infrared film

1128
00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:56,480
too and that's where i got these

1129
00:43:02,870 --> 00:42:59,839
pictures of these entities

1130
00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:02,880
and after those nights

1131
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:04,319
what was happening to me was i was

1132
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:06,160
starting to hear these voices just like

1133
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:09,359
shaver was saying i was going to die

1134
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:11,520
saying they were going to get me saying

1135
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:13,280
they wanted to stop me researching into

1136
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:14,800
flying sources

1137
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:16,800
and generally trying to terrify me but i

1138
00:43:20,309 --> 00:43:18,240
was never scared throughout the whole

1139
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:20,319
thing this is what's kept me going

1140
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:22,720
brilliant brains including nobel prize

1141
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:24,240
winners around the world

1142
00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:27,359
are still puzzling not are there ufos

1143
00:43:31,510 --> 00:43:28,000
but

1144
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:31,520
what are ufos we talked to klaus nobel

1145
00:43:35,109 --> 00:43:33,839
himself

1146
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:35,119
it's something that man cannot

1147
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:38,800
comprehend i think it's very likely that

1148
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:42,720
there are unexplained phenomena and

1149
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:46,000
i certainly many times hoped that they

1150
00:43:50,470 --> 00:43:47,280
would come and visit us

1151
00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:50,480
now and tell us here on earth that

1152
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:52,480
we are in the process of doing things

1153
00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:54,480
that are not really in our best

1154
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:56,240
interest because right now it seems like

1155
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:57,599
you're self-destructive

1156
00:44:05,430 --> 00:43:59,440
and i would like to have them to come

1157
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:07,829
my personal opinion today is that the

1158
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:09,359
flying saucers

1159
00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:11,359
exist in our atmosphere they are

1160
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:12,800
intelligently controlled

1161
00:44:19,270 --> 00:44:16,000
that they are they do uh convey or carry

1162
00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:19,280
uh people just as real as you and i

1163
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:21,200
except in a different sense personally

1164
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:22,560
i'd say i'm an agnostic

1165
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:24,480
if one can apply that term to the

1166
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:26,000
subject

1167
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:29,280
i've seen many reports some of them

1168
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:33,920
are definitely weird but until i see one

1169
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:35,839
i don't believe but i'm not going to say

1170
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:36,960
they're not there

1171
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:39,839
well now what are we to think of this

1172
00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:40,640
kind of

1173
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:44,800
phenomenon people claiming to see

1174
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:48,000
things such as i did the 38 of us

1175
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:50,720
and we all believe that we saw us but of

1176
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:52,079
course we

1177
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:54,000
don't expect other people to believe us

1178
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:56,160
if we if they don't want to

1179
00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:58,160
and i have very little time with the

1180
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:00,880
attitudes of traditional science

1181
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:03,520
which behave much more like religious

1182
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:05,680
dictatorships in many instances

1183
00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:07,760
than they do like open-minded scientific

1184
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:10,560
communities we have to have 15 million

1185
00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:12,720
witnesses before anybody's going to look

1186
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:15,280
into the problem seriously

1187
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:17,680
but this is utterly fantastic this is

1188
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:19,119
more fantastic than

1189
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:21,359
than flying saucers or or people from

1190
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:22,960
venus or anything as far as i'm

1191
00:45:26,470 --> 00:45:24,000
concerned

1192
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:26,480
if 15 million people did collectively

1193
00:45:30,069 --> 00:45:27,920
see something like this

1194
00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:30,079
flying over a major city is here in

1195
00:45:33,670 --> 00:45:32,960
perth australia experience leads us to

1196
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:33,680
believe

1197
00:45:37,270 --> 00:45:35,599
that there would be a complete breakdown

1198
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:37,280
of the social order

1199
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:38,800
like the riots in new york when the

1200
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:40,400
lights went out

1201
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:43,200
in the mgm film soylent green we get a

1202
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:58,309
i wouldn't put it past this government

1203
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:00,400
that a cosmic watergate has

1204
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:03,920
been underway for the last you know 25

1205
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:04,960
years

1206
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:08,560
at the same time i don't think it's uh

1207
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:10,560
i think as we're growing up or from the

1208
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:11,680
government's point of view

1209
00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:14,400
uh i think we've you know we're we've

1210
00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:15,760
been adults uh for

1211
00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:17,040
hundreds of years but from the

1212
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:18,319
government's point of view uh we're

1213
00:46:21,030 --> 00:46:19,920
still growing up and eventually

1214
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:21,040
they might want to tell us something

1215
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:23,200
about what they've uh discovered over

1216
00:46:28,069 --> 00:46:26,400
over the decades uh there is a rumor

1217
00:46:29,589 --> 00:46:28,079
that was in u.s news world report a

1218
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:29,599
number of months ago that uh

1219
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:32,640
jimmy carter might make a uh

1220
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:34,720
uh make some unsettling disclosures

1221
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:35,680
about the ufo

1222
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:38,560
phenomena sometime in december uh it's

1223
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:39,920
pretty timing i opened my movie in

1224
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:41,520
december so it's perfect timing

1225
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:43,680
there is a shyness and a reluctance on

1226
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:45,040
the part of many witnesses and

1227
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:48,079
understandably so uh against reporting

1228
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:49,119
because

1229
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:51,680
too many have been ridiculed and the

1230
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:53,200
life has been made somewhat miserable

1231
00:46:55,589 --> 00:46:54,720
for them but at the center for ufo

1232
00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:55,599
studies

1233
00:47:03,349 --> 00:46:59,920
both in the states and in australia

1234
00:47:05,349 --> 00:47:03,359
is our standard practice never to use a

1235
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:05,359
person's name without their specific

1236
00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:06,319
permission

1237
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:09,440
so if any of our viewers have

1238
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:11,599
a what they feel is a valid ufo

1239
00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:13,760
experience and have not reported it

1240
00:47:18,069 --> 00:47:15,280
by all means i would say it is your

1241
00:47:20,549 --> 00:47:18,079
scientific duty to report this

1242
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:20,559
and with the assurance that your names

1243
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:23,359
will not be used without your permission

1244
00:47:28,069 --> 00:47:26,000
a graduate nuclear physicist in america

1245
00:47:30,790 --> 00:47:28,079
felt at his duty to report a sighting he

1246
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:30,800
shared with 12 other people

1247
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:32,720
perhaps he will prove in the light of

1248
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:33,839
future events

1249
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:36,880
to be the most credible witness of all

1250
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:39,119
this rare official document was signed

1251
00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:40,720
by the then governor of the state of

1252
00:47:44,309 --> 00:47:41,760
georgia

1253
00:47:48,790 --> 00:47:44,319
now the president of the united states

1254
00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:50,150
as we were about to finish this

1255
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:52,240
documentary another intriguing

1256
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:54,720
explanation of ufos was given to us

1257
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:57,680
by an ex-fbi informer now living in

1258
00:48:01,670 --> 00:47:59,040
perth

1259
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:01,680
a research physicist what he has to say

1260
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:04,000
is what he believes to be the truth

1261
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:06,640
it is so staggering we felt we should

1262
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:08,000
extend this program

1263
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:20,720
so that he could be heard

1264
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:22,800
this scientist believes that man holds

1265
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:24,480
the secret of anti-gravity

1266
00:48:32,829 --> 00:48:27,599
and can produce flying sources at will

1267
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:33,990
perth

1268
00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:35,920
well originally i didn't start to

1269
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:39,599
investigate ufo phenomena

1270
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:42,000
i suppose i started studying the physics

1271
00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:43,760
that led me to this point

1272
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:47,520
62 to 64 at the united states air force

1273
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:49,200
academy as a cadet

1274
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:51,599
and a special government program as

1275
00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:52,720
you're aware the

1276
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:55,280
air force academy is outside norad in

1277
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:56,880
the colorado mountains it's a few miles

1278
00:49:01,030 --> 00:48:58,640
up the hill from it

1279
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:01,040
and i was trained there with 180

1280
00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:02,640
somewhat other characters

1281
00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:06,640
to do research in areas of

1282
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:09,280
electrogravitics later we were

1283
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:11,040
programmed with libraries of information

1284
00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:12,240
by

1285
00:49:16,069 --> 00:49:14,079
slides flashed up on a wall at the rate

1286
00:49:17,589 --> 00:49:16,079
of 200 pages a second we couldn't even

1287
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:17,599
read them but they were being implanted

1288
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:18,319
in our minds

1289
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:20,720
subliminally it was a very classified

1290
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:22,640
project and for the

1291
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:24,000
most part of it while we were being

1292
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:25,920
programmed we weren't aware

1293
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:27,520
of what was going on we had normal

1294
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:29,520
classes in the physics and

1295
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:30,960
calculus and this sort of things but

1296
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:32,800
this stuff was being programmed in

1297
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:35,040
so that we had to assimilate it or bring

1298
00:49:38,230 --> 00:49:36,960
it to our conscious mind over the months

1299
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:38,240
and years it followed in

1300
00:49:42,790 --> 00:49:41,359
dreams and kind of

1301
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:42,800
daydream periods during the day when

1302
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:44,400
we're awake but

1303
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:47,760
um i left the academy in 64.

1304
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:49,280
i had a top secret security clearance

1305
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:50,400
with the government and then eventually

1306
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:52,079
that lapsed to secret

1307
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:53,680
and i did a bit of time in the reserves

1308
00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:55,280
air force reserves with the strategic

1309
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:56,480
air command outside of

1310
00:50:01,829 --> 00:49:59,520
fort worth and then um

1311
00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:01,839
i proceeded to do private research in

1312
00:50:05,829 --> 00:50:03,280
this electric gravity

1313
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:05,839
thinking that i had cracked the secret

1314
00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:07,520
evan of gravity all by myself and

1315
00:50:10,829 --> 00:50:08,319
jumping up and down

1316
00:50:12,309 --> 00:50:10,839
my father's labs and mines in dallas and

1317
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:12,319
um

1318
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:13,440
one day i was approached by the

1319
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:16,079
government and a kind of a

1320
00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:18,240
adversary from dr edward teller's office

1321
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:20,319
uh dr james r maxfield

1322
00:50:23,750 --> 00:50:21,920
when he told me what i'd been doing in

1323
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:23,760
my lab and the details of stuff i

1324
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:26,160
haven't written down or told anybody he

1325
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:26,559
knew

1326
00:50:30,390 --> 00:50:29,520
and he had other people like myself

1327
00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:30,400
sponsored in

1328
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:32,240
this kind of research around the country

1329
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:33,680
and that was the first time that i knew

1330
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:35,119
that the u.s government

1331
00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:36,880
was actively involved had been and was

1332
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:38,480
still actively involved

1333
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:40,400
in the control of gravity with

1334
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:42,319
electricity and who did this man

1335
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:44,160
represent

1336
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:47,359
well his job

1337
00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:49,520
as his job qualification is he's the

1338
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:51,119
director of the james r maxfield

1339
00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:52,800
radiation research clinic in dallas

1340
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:54,160
texas the

1341
00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:56,640
same max phillip invented the irradiated

1342
00:51:02,309 --> 00:50:57,680
thread

1343
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:02,319
treatment for cancer of various organs

1344
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:03,599
if you look at this little dossier

1345
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:05,920
that's in the who's who you find that he

1346
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:06,480
was

1347
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:07,920
on the president's national security

1348
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:09,839
advisory board which is

1349
00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:12,240
really a rather important log in the u.s

1350
00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:14,400
intelligence system

1351
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:15,680
kissinger would have been on the same

1352
00:51:19,829 --> 00:51:17,920
rank um

1353
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:19,839
you'll find that he was closely

1354
00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:21,680
affiliated with dr edward teller who was

1355
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:23,599
the

1356
00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:32,400
don't know where he still is

1357
00:51:35,750 --> 00:51:33,680
and that he had worked on a similar

1358
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:35,760
project with him in fact the letter that

1359
00:51:38,549 --> 00:51:36,400
you and i

1360
00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:38,559
viewed earlier from my files from dr

1361
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:40,160
maxfield to this government and to sir

1362
00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:41,760
john williams

1363
00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:44,480
did mention that fact if you recall so

1364
00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:46,400
what happened to you then

1365
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:49,440
well they suggested that i finished my

1366
00:51:52,630 --> 00:51:50,000
research

1367
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:52,640
in australia i wasn't enthralled with

1368
00:51:56,790 --> 00:51:53,760
the idea but

1369
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:56,800
dr maxfield told me that i would be paid

1370
00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:57,599
to come down

1371
00:52:00,870 --> 00:51:59,520
and that i was to call the australian

1372
00:52:03,829 --> 00:52:00,880
consulate in

1373
00:52:04,549 --> 00:52:03,839
san francisco and ask for bob gray i'm

1374
00:52:06,390 --> 00:52:04,559
telling it

1375
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:06,400
in these words that i was a member of

1376
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:07,920
maxwell's party

1377
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:10,240
at the same time that i was being

1378
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:12,079
approached by dr maxwell's party to come

1379
00:52:15,750 --> 00:52:13,680
down here and finish my research

1380
00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:15,760
i'd been approached already by the fbi

1381
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:17,440
and was working for them as an informant

1382
00:52:20,549 --> 00:52:18,960
that doesn't mean that you're a trained

1383
00:52:21,990 --> 00:52:20,559
agent it just means that

1384
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:22,000
you're somewhere in industry where they

1385
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:23,680
need someone they don't have time

1386
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:25,920
to get them in there informing them what

1387
00:52:29,190 --> 00:52:27,520
well the particular thing i was to

1388
00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:29,200
inform on was the comings and goings of

1389
00:52:33,589 --> 00:52:30,880
various people from the white house

1390
00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:33,599
to my group of companies in dallas and

1391
00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:35,040
also their connection to israel in the

1392
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:37,280
middle east political situation

1393
00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:40,400
and and i did my job rather well just

1394
00:52:43,349 --> 00:52:41,040
reporting

1395
00:52:44,829 --> 00:52:43,359
who came and went and various amounts of

1396
00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:44,839
money and things that i didn't know that

1397
00:52:48,069 --> 00:52:46,720
transferred um

1398
00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:48,079
there were about seven or eight hundred

1399
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:53,990
employed by the fbi in this matter i

1400
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:55,680
didn't take money i took information in

1401
00:52:59,109 --> 00:52:56,720
exchange

1402
00:53:01,589 --> 00:52:59,119
but um at any rate they came and told me

1403
00:53:03,270 --> 00:53:01,599
the fbi did that i had been compromised

1404
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:03,280
by a break-in in one of their agencies

1405
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:05,760
in louisiana or someplace like that

1406
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:08,160
and that i was going to get shot and

1407
00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:09,599
wish they'd explained to me at the

1408
00:53:12,309 --> 00:53:10,240
beginning

1409
00:53:13,349 --> 00:53:12,319
the risks involved but i thought they

1410
00:53:17,589 --> 00:53:13,359
were joking

1411
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:17,599
until i went back to the uh the office

1412
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:19,760
the computer division there in dallas

1413
00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:21,760
and uh was sacked given 30 minutes to

1414
00:53:26,309 --> 00:53:23,599
clean up my desk and leave

1415
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:26,319
and uh by an old friend of mine and so

1416
00:53:30,069 --> 00:53:26,880
he

1417
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:30,079
spy ring and all kinds of stuff

1418
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:32,480
and so i left and uh in fact i didn't

1419
00:53:35,589 --> 00:53:34,240
have my last meeting with the fbi and i

1420
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:35,599
didn't have my last meeting with dr

1421
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:37,280
maxfield i just uh

1422
00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:39,280
bundled a few things in the family into

1423
00:53:43,109 --> 00:53:41,440
a plane and headed for australia

1424
00:53:45,270 --> 00:53:43,119
i didn't make it and i was quite quite

1425
00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:45,280
glad to and

1426
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:47,920
kept a very low profile for seven months

1427
00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:48,880
but

1428
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:50,559
i continued to do my research and i

1429
00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:52,079
wrote dr maxfield a letter and that was

1430
00:53:55,750 --> 00:53:53,440
perhaps my mistake

1431
00:53:57,030 --> 00:53:55,760
i said look i've done it i've figured

1432
00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:57,040
out the wave

1433
00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:59,520
equation that we were looking for and

1434
00:54:02,390 --> 00:54:00,960
again in my ignorance i didn't realize

1435
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:02,400
how much work had already been done and

1436
00:54:05,750 --> 00:54:03,920
gone before me i was just

1437
00:54:07,030 --> 00:54:05,760
kind of on the periphery or the edge of

1438
00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:07,040
this whole development

1439
00:54:11,589 --> 00:54:09,520
that's a device to be able to make

1440
00:54:14,790 --> 00:54:11,599
things like flying sources fly is it

1441
00:54:18,549 --> 00:54:14,800
yes also it's a device to store um

1442
00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:18,559
energy in the form of motion like of a

1443
00:54:24,990 --> 00:54:22,079
a small star or a big atom it's called

1444
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:25,000
this is a long word an mhd plasma

1445
00:54:29,030 --> 00:54:27,200
magnetohydrodynamic plasma

1446
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:29,040
like ball lightning and it contains

1447
00:54:32,549 --> 00:54:30,960
itself but it's a way to turn

1448
00:54:34,150 --> 00:54:32,559
all sorts of electricity into a high

1449
00:54:35,589 --> 00:54:34,160
voltage battery

1450
00:54:37,589 --> 00:54:35,599
now this would have been an immediate

1451
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:37,599
solution for the middle east

1452
00:54:43,589 --> 00:54:41,440
oil blockade at that time now um

1453
00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:43,599
i wrote the letter in good faith trying

1454
00:54:46,789 --> 00:54:45,040
to say look we can

1455
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:46,799
stop the threat of war in the middle

1456
00:54:49,750 --> 00:54:48,079
east by using this as an

1457
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:49,760
alternate energy source it's very

1458
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:51,440
portable it's non-polluting

1459
00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:53,200
it had some by-product radiation

1460
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:55,440
problems but things we could solve

1461
00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:58,079
it'll be cleaner than fission or fusion

1462
00:55:02,230 --> 00:54:59,920
now

1463
00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:02,240
that's when um people here in this

1464
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:03,520
country

1465
00:55:06,789 --> 00:55:05,200
at the aeronautical research labs and

1466
00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:06,799
politicians started to get a hold of me

1467
00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:09,359
azo contacted me good grief

1468
00:55:13,030 --> 00:55:11,359
an odd infant item a chain of

1469
00:55:14,789 --> 00:55:13,040
intelligence people including two cia

1470
00:55:16,630 --> 00:55:14,799
people from the states

1471
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:16,640
and then the fbi eventually started

1472
00:55:20,230 --> 00:55:18,880
looking for me in this country and

1473
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:20,240
that again was after the intelligence

1474
00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:23,440
war over there after hoover died

1475
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:25,760
and i was unable to finish my research

1476
00:55:29,109 --> 00:55:27,520
in this country in fact i met many

1477
00:55:30,549 --> 00:55:29,119
dead-ends and government departments and

1478
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:30,559
research facilities where they told me

1479
00:55:34,549 --> 00:55:31,520
privately

1480
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:34,559
like dr tom keeble in the aeronautical

1481
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:36,000
research labs he told me yes

1482
00:55:39,030 --> 00:55:37,440
we know about the flying saucers your

1483
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:39,040
countrymen have built in england and

1484
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:40,079
canada

1485
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:41,760
and in fact we have film records of them

1486
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:43,200
here in the r double af

1487
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:45,839
files i said i want to stop you there

1488
00:55:48,549 --> 00:55:46,319
yeah

1489
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:48,559
are you saying stan that there are such

1490
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:49,440
things as

1491
00:55:54,230 --> 00:55:51,599
let's call them flying sources but they

1492
00:55:56,710 --> 00:55:54,240
are built on earth

1493
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:56,720
yes uh that doesn't mean that i um rule

1494
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:58,880
out the possibility of other

1495
00:56:02,069 --> 00:56:00,960
flying devices or intelligent beings

1496
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:02,079
visiting the planet either

1497
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:05,280
from the oceanic bottoms or

1498
00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:07,520
deeper areas or from other areas in

1499
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:08,799
space but

1500
00:56:11,670 --> 00:56:10,319
i am positive that we have the

1501
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:11,680
technology i can even name it the

1502
00:56:16,230 --> 00:56:13,440
companies and people involved

1503
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:16,240
in making high-speed electric aircraft

1504
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:18,000
that do look strange enough like a

1505
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:21,040
saucer what sort of proof can one

1506
00:56:24,789 --> 00:56:22,319
furnish for that

1507
00:56:25,829 --> 00:56:24,799
oh good grievance the briefcase i've got

1508
00:56:28,150 --> 00:56:25,839
down here is uh

1509
00:56:30,150 --> 00:56:28,160
full of documented evidence that is not

1510
00:56:33,349 --> 00:56:30,160
all secret

1511
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:33,359
if you go to uh to the

1512
00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:36,319
um the records of the new york herald

1513
00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:38,240
tribune the newspapers now defunct i

1514
00:56:44,069 --> 00:56:39,520
think it's being stored in the

1515
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:44,079
wisconsin um state historical society

1516
00:56:48,630 --> 00:56:47,280
and look for november 20th 21st and 22nd

1517
00:56:50,470 --> 00:56:48,640
1955

1518
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:50,480
there are three articles in the series

1519
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:53,520
on antigravity and the various companies

1520
00:56:56,950 --> 00:56:54,880
and people involved in the research of

1521
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:56,960
the united states japan europe

1522
00:57:01,270 --> 00:56:59,040
the list is like a who's who of nuclear

1523
00:57:02,150 --> 00:57:01,280
physics it was written by ansel e

1524
00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:02,160
talbert the

1525
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:03,760
science and aviation editor for the new

1526
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:05,920
york herald tribune at that time

1527
00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:07,680
you can look there you can look in the

1528
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:09,520
electrical engineering index for that

1529
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:12,240
period between 55 and 58 that's a long

1530
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:13,040
time ago

1531
00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:16,400
yes 57 about march

1532
00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:18,880
the security curtain went down and there

1533
00:57:22,950 --> 00:57:20,720
were at that time over 100 published

1534
00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:22,960
universities and organizations including

1535
00:57:24,789 --> 00:57:23,280
the

1536
00:57:27,430 --> 00:57:24,799
gravity research foundation which is

1537
00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:27,440
still operational in gravity village

1538
00:57:30,549 --> 00:57:28,880
and the united states there were over

1539
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:30,559
100 of these things operating to

1540
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:32,960
develop gravity the control of it as a

1541
00:57:38,230 --> 00:57:34,640
power source and communication

1542
00:57:39,670 --> 00:57:38,240
and locomotion etc now in 57 the blanket

1543
00:57:42,549 --> 00:57:39,680
went down to security

1544
00:57:42,870 --> 00:57:42,559
and there was no more reported news on

1545
00:57:47,349 --> 00:57:42,880
it

1546
00:57:48,309 --> 00:57:47,359
research avenue that everybody had

1547
00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:48,319
stopped working on it

1548
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:49,920
or that it was highly successful and

1549
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:51,040
there'd been a few breakthroughs there

1550
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:52,880
was just nothing it wasn't quiet

1551
00:57:55,990 --> 00:57:54,240
if you go back in the period and look

1552
00:57:58,069 --> 00:57:56,000
you will see that for a number of years

1553
00:57:59,750 --> 00:57:58,079
after 57 there was no mention of this

1554
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:59,760
sort of research in print

1555
00:58:02,950 --> 00:58:01,200
behind the scenes there was a lot of

1556
00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:02,960
discussion and even walt disney's

1557
00:58:07,030 --> 00:58:05,920
sorry mgm studios made the movie the

1558
00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:07,040
forbidden planet

1559
00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:09,359
revealing at that time a lot as what

1560
00:58:13,349 --> 00:58:11,200
were fiction of the technology

1561
00:58:20,829 --> 00:58:13,359
and why it had to be covered up i think

1562
00:58:20,839 --> 00:58:39,990
job

1563
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:57,349
7 800 levels

1564
00:59:00,950 --> 00:58:59,430
basically they decided mankind wasn't

1565
00:59:02,789 --> 00:59:00,960
ready for you because he

1566
00:59:05,270 --> 00:59:02,799
proceeded to misuse it like he had the

1567
00:59:08,789 --> 00:59:05,280
atom or the hydrogen bomb

1568
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:08,799
now recent evidence is very hard to get

1569
00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:10,799
however in this country a little leak

1570
00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:12,559
occurred over here with william h martin

1571
00:59:19,030 --> 00:59:14,960
in the nation review

1572
00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:19,040
may of 1970

1573
00:59:25,349 --> 00:59:22,640
or 4 i believe i can't remember now um

1574
00:59:28,030 --> 00:59:25,359
he um published an article on pine gap

1575
00:59:29,670 --> 00:59:28,040
and how nixon had intended to use it in

1576
00:59:32,309 --> 00:59:29,680
1975

1577
00:59:33,910 --> 00:59:32,319
to solve the energy crisis by announcing

1578
00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:33,920
a new method of electromagnetic

1579
00:59:37,030 --> 00:59:34,880
propulsion

1580
00:59:37,910 --> 00:59:37,040
which would be based from the pine gap

1581
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:37,920
facility

1582
00:59:41,109 --> 00:59:40,160
so now for my knowledge of the of the

1583
00:59:42,789 --> 00:59:41,119
technology what

1584
00:59:44,549 --> 00:59:42,799
small knowledge i do have from my little

1585
00:59:47,349 --> 00:59:44,559
viewpoint

1586
00:59:48,870 --> 00:59:47,359
pine gap has all of the inherent

1587
00:59:52,069 --> 00:59:48,880
descriptions necessary for

1588
00:59:53,990 --> 00:59:52,079
a high voltage low frequency

1589
00:59:55,270 --> 00:59:54,000
power broadcast station to broadcast

1590
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:55,280
electricity

1591
00:59:58,390 --> 00:59:57,280
to various receivers like cars and

1592
01:00:00,549 --> 00:59:58,400
submarines and

1593
01:00:01,589 --> 01:00:00,559
aircraft that are tuned to that power

1594
01:00:04,230 --> 01:00:01,599
station

1595
01:00:05,670 --> 01:00:04,240
it's just a more efficient version of

1596
01:00:07,589 --> 01:00:05,680
the exmouth facility here at the

1597
01:00:10,549 --> 01:00:07,599
northwest cape

1598
01:00:10,950 --> 01:00:10,559
um so it's right here on our doorstep is

1599
01:00:13,510 --> 01:00:10,960
it

1600
01:00:14,230 --> 01:00:13,520
oh yes the big question you have to ask

1601
01:00:17,910 --> 01:00:14,240
yourself

1602
01:00:18,390 --> 01:00:17,920
uh guys why would such a thing be kept

1603
01:00:20,710 --> 01:00:18,400
secret

1604
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:20,720
i mean people at the levels that are

1605
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:21,599
covering it up

1606
01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:23,760
i i know some of them personally and

1607
01:00:27,430 --> 01:00:24,720
they aren't

1608
01:00:28,710 --> 01:00:27,440
in my opinion villains they're very uh

1609
01:00:31,829 --> 01:00:28,720
sincere humanists

1610
01:00:32,710 --> 01:00:31,839
they are trying to solve planet earth uh

1611
01:00:35,430 --> 01:00:32,720
trying to bring

1612
01:00:36,470 --> 01:00:35,440
unity their way you speak of them as

1613
01:00:38,309 --> 01:00:36,480
though they were

1614
01:00:40,150 --> 01:00:38,319
they were collective rather than

1615
01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:40,160
singular is that right yes

1616
01:00:44,470 --> 01:00:43,200
um dr kiebel as i mentioned before in

1617
01:00:47,589 --> 01:00:44,480
melbourne at the aeronautical research

1618
01:00:50,630 --> 01:00:47,599
lab tried to explain to me about

1619
01:00:54,630 --> 01:00:50,640
they he mentioned we as though it was

1620
01:00:57,430 --> 01:00:54,640
a an organization a group of scientists

1621
01:00:58,069 --> 01:00:57,440
academics industrialistic he couldn't be

1622
01:01:00,069 --> 01:00:58,079
exact

1623
01:01:02,309 --> 01:01:00,079
now he never put a name to it but i said

1624
01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:02,319
well do you mean like a club and he said

1625
01:01:07,670 --> 01:01:06,160
yes but no we are aware of these

1626
01:01:10,309 --> 01:01:07,680
problems and we're trying to solve them

1627
01:01:12,069 --> 01:01:10,319
in the best way we know how

1628
01:01:14,309 --> 01:01:12,079
granted there are things that should be

1629
01:01:16,390 --> 01:01:14,319
kept from the public eye

1630
01:01:18,870 --> 01:01:16,400
until we do have some sort of a unity in

1631
01:01:21,589 --> 01:01:18,880
the world economy

1632
01:01:22,230 --> 01:01:21,599
but i think the manner which has been

1633
01:01:24,549 --> 01:01:22,240
gone about

1634
01:01:26,789 --> 01:01:24,559
is most unfortunate i would not have

1635
01:01:29,589 --> 01:01:26,799
taken the same tag myself

1636
01:01:31,270 --> 01:01:29,599
the power politics involved in keeping

1637
01:01:32,230 --> 01:01:31,280
the secrets that we now have across the

1638
01:01:35,430 --> 01:01:32,240
planet

1639
01:01:36,470 --> 01:01:35,440
have allowed well in my opinion groups

1640
01:01:38,710 --> 01:01:36,480
that aren't

1641
01:01:40,789 --> 01:01:38,720
capable of handling uh control the

1642
01:01:43,030 --> 01:01:40,799
planet to take power

1643
01:01:44,309 --> 01:01:43,040
so what basically you're saying and

1644
01:01:46,870 --> 01:01:44,319
correct me if i'm wrong

1645
01:01:47,829 --> 01:01:46,880
is that we've got a situation where you

1646
01:01:51,030 --> 01:01:47,839
maintain

1647
01:01:53,030 --> 01:01:51,040
various countries have perhaps

1648
01:01:54,549 --> 01:01:53,040
a top level intelligentsia who are in

1649
01:01:58,069 --> 01:01:54,559
possession of a common

1650
01:01:59,670 --> 01:01:58,079
set of facts which which transpose

1651
01:02:01,990 --> 01:01:59,680
country boundaries now and it's a

1652
01:02:03,990 --> 01:02:02,000
worldwide sort of yeah

1653
01:02:05,750 --> 01:02:04,000
in russia uh involved in this would be

1654
01:02:06,630 --> 01:02:05,760
the russian physicist who's been in the

1655
01:02:08,150 --> 01:02:06,640
news recently

1656
01:02:09,990 --> 01:02:08,160
with the civil rights movement's dr

1657
01:02:12,950 --> 01:02:10,000
andrei sakharov

1658
01:02:15,029 --> 01:02:12,960
also in his country an ex-kgb agent some

1659
01:02:18,549 --> 01:02:15,039
25 years but a physicist

1660
01:02:21,270 --> 01:02:18,559
and a former hydrogen bomb project

1661
01:02:21,670 --> 01:02:21,280
development engineer or sorry physicist

1662
01:02:24,789 --> 01:02:21,680
is

1663
01:02:27,430 --> 01:02:24,799
dr bruno porter ponte corvo working on

1664
01:02:29,589 --> 01:02:27,440
gravity engines in siberia

1665
01:02:31,910 --> 01:02:29,599
as i told you in the states it was dr

1666
01:02:34,390 --> 01:02:31,920
teller and affiliates there i

1667
01:02:35,430 --> 01:02:34,400
don't know all of their names but these

1668
01:02:38,069 --> 01:02:35,440
people have all

1669
01:02:38,950 --> 01:02:38,079
been working together as scientists who

1670
01:02:42,150 --> 01:02:38,960
go above

1671
01:02:43,589 --> 01:02:42,160
governments and look they're sincere i

1672
01:02:45,190 --> 01:02:43,599
can't blame them for doing this it's

1673
01:02:46,789 --> 01:02:45,200
just that they have lost control of what

1674
01:02:50,230 --> 01:02:46,799
they tried to set up

1675
01:02:52,390 --> 01:02:50,240
has that association got a name

1676
01:02:53,670 --> 01:02:52,400
i don't think so when i worked with the

1677
01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:53,680
fbi

1678
01:02:56,950 --> 01:02:55,200
there was a political and financial

1679
01:02:59,349 --> 01:02:56,960
institution that i was

1680
01:03:00,870 --> 01:02:59,359
ordered to investigate with many other

1681
01:03:03,589 --> 01:03:00,880
agents and it was called the

1682
01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:03,599
the illuminati which is a general term

1683
01:03:08,630 --> 01:03:05,520
meaning the enlightened or the

1684
01:03:10,150 --> 01:03:08,640
wise ones um it uh

1685
01:03:11,829 --> 01:03:10,160
the investigation this led me to the

1686
01:03:12,630 --> 01:03:11,839
council on foreign relations and to the

1687
01:03:14,630 --> 01:03:12,640
club of rome

1688
01:03:17,270 --> 01:03:14,640
which are linked by joint directorships

1689
01:03:19,270 --> 01:03:17,280
under carol wilson

1690
01:03:21,349 --> 01:03:19,280
this is again another tale but you put

1691
01:03:24,630 --> 01:03:21,359
yourself in the scientist position

1692
01:03:26,950 --> 01:03:24,640
in the mid 50s what you see

1693
01:03:29,430 --> 01:03:26,960
is that you've got a technology that if

1694
01:03:32,230 --> 01:03:29,440
announced to the public would cause mass

1695
01:03:33,910 --> 01:03:32,240
reactions in the economy in social moves

1696
01:03:35,430 --> 01:03:33,920
and cultural reactions that could

1697
01:03:36,870 --> 01:03:35,440
probably bring about the demise of the

1698
01:03:39,029 --> 01:03:36,880
whole human civilization

1699
01:03:40,549 --> 01:03:39,039
a simple example would be this as a

1700
01:03:41,589 --> 01:03:40,559
scientist you come out in the mid 50s

1701
01:03:43,990 --> 01:03:41,599
and you say

1702
01:03:45,029 --> 01:03:44,000
we have a process which will allow us to

1703
01:03:48,870 --> 01:03:45,039
get rid of

1704
01:03:52,230 --> 01:03:48,880
engine hence the petrol

1705
01:03:53,990 --> 01:03:52,240
hence all the dependent industries

1706
01:03:56,069 --> 01:03:54,000
it will be available for you in 24

1707
01:03:58,630 --> 01:03:56,079
months time it will only cost you

1708
01:04:00,150 --> 01:03:58,640
three or four thousand dollars now what

1709
01:04:02,309 --> 01:04:00,160
kind he's right mind would buy a new

1710
01:04:03,910 --> 01:04:02,319
petrol engine car if he could have one

1711
01:04:06,150 --> 01:04:03,920
of those new ones in two years that

1712
01:04:06,470 --> 01:04:06,160
don't need roads and run on electricity

1713
01:04:09,349 --> 01:04:06,480
and

1714
01:04:10,870 --> 01:04:09,359
no petrol necessary they'd all stop

1715
01:04:12,230 --> 01:04:10,880
their buying trends which would then

1716
01:04:14,470 --> 01:04:12,240
collapse the economies that would be

1717
01:04:17,270 --> 01:04:14,480
building the other one in 24 months

1718
01:04:19,990 --> 01:04:17,280
if you had a central world authority uh

1719
01:04:21,750 --> 01:04:20,000
like dr pachay's club of rome group want

1720
01:04:22,870 --> 01:04:21,760
then if you announced when you

1721
01:04:25,589 --> 01:04:22,880
controlled all the nations and the

1722
01:04:27,349 --> 01:04:25,599
economies if you announced and said

1723
01:04:28,870 --> 01:04:27,359
we've got a new car that does this

1724
01:04:30,390 --> 01:04:28,880
nobody panic because they know that if

1725
01:04:31,750 --> 01:04:30,400
their industry became redundant they

1726
01:04:32,470 --> 01:04:31,760
would be retrained and paid while

1727
01:04:34,870 --> 01:04:32,480
they're doing it

1728
01:04:35,510 --> 01:04:34,880
in some other support industry we don't

1729
01:04:37,109 --> 01:04:35,520
have that

1730
01:04:39,190 --> 01:04:37,119
facility on the planet at the moment

1731
01:04:40,710 --> 01:04:39,200
because we're greatly disordered

1732
01:04:42,789 --> 01:04:40,720
and many of the cultures fight against

1733
01:04:44,230 --> 01:04:42,799
each other scientists industrialist

1734
01:04:46,710 --> 01:04:44,240
engineers found this problem in the mid

1735
01:04:47,910 --> 01:04:46,720
50s now we're playing their part so we

1736
01:04:50,950 --> 01:04:47,920
sit here and we say

1737
01:04:53,190 --> 01:04:50,960
how do we get world unity the united

1738
01:04:54,549 --> 01:04:53,200
nations the league of nations had failed

1739
01:04:56,390 --> 01:04:54,559
you couldn't get any two or three of

1740
01:04:59,270 --> 01:04:56,400
them to agree to turn their sovereignty

1741
01:04:59,990 --> 01:04:59,280
over to a third party you couldn't come

1742
01:05:01,829 --> 01:05:00,000
out and

1743
01:05:03,510 --> 01:05:01,839
field an army from the united nations or

1744
01:05:05,670 --> 01:05:03,520
league of nations or any anywhere

1745
01:05:07,349 --> 01:05:05,680
even a corporate army until the people

1746
01:05:08,950 --> 01:05:07,359
of earth you're taking over

1747
01:05:10,470 --> 01:05:08,960
as some people suggested the

1748
01:05:12,230 --> 01:05:10,480
multinationals might do

1749
01:05:13,589 --> 01:05:12,240
you can't do that because the mass

1750
01:05:15,270 --> 01:05:13,599
resistance would be

1751
01:05:17,190 --> 01:05:15,280
worse than the french resistance to

1752
01:05:18,309 --> 01:05:17,200
hitler it'd destroy the unity they were

1753
01:05:21,109 --> 01:05:18,319
trying to get

1754
01:05:21,990 --> 01:05:21,119
so by peaceful discussion over the

1755
01:05:25,190 --> 01:05:22,000
conference table

1756
01:05:26,630 --> 01:05:25,200
and by force it wasn't possible yet as

1757
01:05:27,589 --> 01:05:26,640
the scientific community looked at this

1758
01:05:29,349 --> 01:05:27,599
new technology

1759
01:05:31,029 --> 01:05:29,359
it reached into all human endeavor

1760
01:05:33,910 --> 01:05:31,039
touched many points of life

1761
01:05:35,589 --> 01:05:33,920
they said look if we develop this

1762
01:05:38,230 --> 01:05:35,599
completely develop it into a social

1763
01:05:40,069 --> 01:05:38,240
technological integrated model

1764
01:05:41,670 --> 01:05:40,079
away from the rest of people in islands

1765
01:05:44,069 --> 01:05:41,680
or in back rooms however we do it keep

1766
01:05:48,710 --> 01:05:44,079
it quite even from the politicians

1767
01:05:50,630 --> 01:05:48,720
at some point later after 1956 57 58

1768
01:05:53,029 --> 01:05:50,640
some point later we'll have it ready to

1769
01:05:55,029 --> 01:05:53,039
announce to the world as a global system

1770
01:05:57,190 --> 01:05:55,039
then all we've got to do is figure out

1771
01:05:59,430 --> 01:05:57,200
how to convince them to give it a try

1772
01:06:00,549 --> 01:05:59,440
in unity right well this this was 20

1773
01:06:02,630 --> 01:06:00,559
years ago

1774
01:06:04,069 --> 01:06:02,640
are we now saying that this is

1775
01:06:06,549 --> 01:06:04,079
approaching the time

1776
01:06:08,069 --> 01:06:06,559
i think we are and it's not like some

1777
01:06:11,109 --> 01:06:08,079
prophecy or something it's

1778
01:06:11,750 --> 01:06:11,119
just looking at events in the media for

1779
01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:11,760
the first

1780
01:06:15,349 --> 01:06:13,440
10 years of that 20-year period you're

1781
01:06:16,870 --> 01:06:15,359
talking about people that saw ufos or

1782
01:06:18,230 --> 01:06:16,880
flying saucers were nuts

1783
01:06:20,549 --> 01:06:18,240
they were played that way in the media

1784
01:06:22,470 --> 01:06:20,559
it was a bad thing to even talk about it

1785
01:06:24,390 --> 01:06:22,480
now toward the end of this 20-year

1786
01:06:25,829 --> 01:06:24,400
period if you see one

1787
01:06:27,109 --> 01:06:25,839
you're a great guy in the neighborhood

1788
01:06:28,309 --> 01:06:27,119
everybody wants to talk to everybody

1789
01:06:30,309 --> 01:06:28,319
wants to know you

1790
01:06:32,390 --> 01:06:30,319
pilots physicists all kinds of people

1791
01:06:35,829 --> 01:06:32,400
are coming forward now presidents

1792
01:06:37,829 --> 01:06:35,839
dictators yes i've seen a ufo now

1793
01:06:39,510 --> 01:06:37,839
to me the shift in the public

1794
01:06:42,470 --> 01:06:39,520
conditioning

1795
01:06:44,069 --> 01:06:42,480
medium is to get people ready for the

1796
01:06:45,589 --> 01:06:44,079
announcement of the new technology

1797
01:06:46,789 --> 01:06:45,599
now scientists aren't going to come out

1798
01:06:48,470 --> 01:06:46,799
industrious aren't going to come out and

1799
01:06:51,029 --> 01:06:48,480
say okay here it is children

1800
01:06:53,190 --> 01:06:51,039
here you go the new model for planet

1801
01:06:56,150 --> 01:06:53,200
earth using this technology

1802
01:06:57,430 --> 01:06:56,160
must be independent of any established

1803
01:06:59,990 --> 01:06:57,440
government or order

1804
01:07:01,589 --> 01:07:00,000
it can't be russian or capitalist or

1805
01:07:02,870 --> 01:07:01,599
dictatorial it's got to be independent

1806
01:07:04,870 --> 01:07:02,880
and the only way you can do it is a

1807
01:07:06,150 --> 01:07:04,880
an external culture whether it be called

1808
01:07:07,829 --> 01:07:06,160
from the ocean bottom

1809
01:07:09,270 --> 01:07:07,839
uh whether it's from the bermuda

1810
01:07:10,150 --> 01:07:09,280
triangle or whether it's from outer

1811
01:07:12,309 --> 01:07:10,160
space

1812
01:07:13,670 --> 01:07:12,319
they have got to see it in this way so

1813
01:07:15,670 --> 01:07:13,680
that for a short time

1814
01:07:17,190 --> 01:07:15,680
the masses will overlook their cultural

1815
01:07:20,789 --> 01:07:17,200
differences to unite

1816
01:07:22,150 --> 01:07:20,799
to form this one world order then

1817
01:07:23,670 --> 01:07:22,160
after seven or eight years if you can

1818
01:07:25,510 --> 01:07:23,680
hold the ruse that long you explain to

1819
01:07:27,670 --> 01:07:25,520
them this is how we brought peace

1820
01:07:29,029 --> 01:07:27,680
i still maintain i don't think that it

1821
01:07:32,069 --> 01:07:29,039
will work because at the top

1822
01:07:34,390 --> 01:07:32,079
these organizations are fighting

1823
01:07:36,309 --> 01:07:34,400
i'd like to ask you a direct question

1824
01:07:39,670 --> 01:07:36,319
you work in the field of

1825
01:07:41,670 --> 01:07:39,680
anti-gravity could you make what we call

1826
01:07:43,670 --> 01:07:41,680
a flying saucer oh yes with adequate

1827
01:07:45,589 --> 01:07:43,680
funds and time sure

1828
01:07:47,349 --> 01:07:45,599
i'd still be doing it for the research

1829
01:07:48,710 --> 01:07:47,359
organizations if i hadn't differed

1830
01:07:50,549 --> 01:07:48,720
in philosophy that's where i got in

1831
01:07:51,750 --> 01:07:50,559
trouble because i stood up and said why

1832
01:07:56,069 --> 01:07:51,760
are you doing this

1833
01:07:57,430 --> 01:07:56,079
and it wasn't for me to know ufos if

1834
01:07:58,789 --> 01:07:57,440
they don't exist or these electric

1835
01:08:00,549 --> 01:07:58,799
flying saucers

1836
01:08:02,470 --> 01:08:00,559
yeah if they don't exist in our current

1837
01:08:04,150 --> 01:08:02,480
technology i'll give it to the world

1838
01:08:06,390 --> 01:08:04,160
i'll be a hero but i'll tell you right

1839
01:08:09,430 --> 01:08:06,400
now i don't need to do that

1840
01:08:12,630 --> 01:08:09,440
it's already done this does not mean

1841
01:08:13,109 --> 01:08:12,640
that in the past before 47 49 whenever

1842
01:08:15,670 --> 01:08:13,119
the first

1843
01:08:17,269 --> 01:08:15,680
flying saucers were supposedly sited in

1844
01:08:19,749 --> 01:08:17,279
this planet does not mean

1845
01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:19,759
that the time before that was to be

1846
01:08:23,269 --> 01:08:20,400
explained by

1847
01:08:24,870 --> 01:08:23,279
earth technology it wasn't even back in

1848
01:08:28,070 --> 01:08:24,880
the bible and

1849
01:08:28,950 --> 01:08:28,080
uh moses encounter with god in the

1850
01:08:31,269 --> 01:08:28,960
flaming bush

1851
01:08:32,789 --> 01:08:31,279
and uh don't uh walk on this ground with

1852
01:08:34,470 --> 01:08:32,799
your shoes on take one off it sounded

1853
01:08:37,590 --> 01:08:34,480
like he was in a field any rate

1854
01:08:38,470 --> 01:08:37,600
and ezekiel's flaming chariot you go

1855
01:08:40,149 --> 01:08:38,480
back

1856
01:08:41,829 --> 01:08:40,159
thousands of years and you find we had

1857
01:08:43,669 --> 01:08:41,839
encounters with things that could only

1858
01:08:45,269 --> 01:08:43,679
be explained in their own words as being

1859
01:08:47,269 --> 01:08:45,279
from the heavens

1860
01:08:49,189 --> 01:08:47,279
in the last two thousand years after the

1861
01:08:52,149 --> 01:08:49,199
birth of christ we find that

1862
01:08:53,910 --> 01:08:52,159
these encounter cases were many of them

1863
01:08:55,110 --> 01:08:53,920
more bizarre where they didn't have the

1864
01:08:57,749 --> 01:08:55,120
same

1865
01:08:58,630 --> 01:08:57,759
good side to them people suffered

1866
01:09:01,349 --> 01:08:58,640
headaches

1867
01:09:02,950 --> 01:09:01,359
some cases disappearance livestock were

1868
01:09:04,229 --> 01:09:02,960
cut apart and the blood drained out them

1869
01:09:06,709 --> 01:09:04,239
you see it quite frequently now

1870
01:09:07,990 --> 01:09:06,719
it seems as though the more recent uh

1871
01:09:09,269 --> 01:09:08,000
contact cases from these

1872
01:09:12,229 --> 01:09:09,279
extraterrestrial origins

1873
01:09:14,309 --> 01:09:12,239
have been malevolent or bad whereas the

1874
01:09:14,950 --> 01:09:14,319
old testament versions were benevolent

1875
01:09:19,349 --> 01:09:14,960
or good

1876
01:09:21,910 --> 01:09:19,359
we do have the technology now to

1877
01:09:22,630 --> 01:09:21,920
give ufos with electric flying saucers

1878
01:09:25,510 --> 01:09:22,640
to the world

1879
01:09:26,309 --> 01:09:25,520
it is a when i say way it's a joint

1880
01:09:28,070 --> 01:09:26,319
scientific

1881
01:09:29,990 --> 01:09:28,080
effort from many of the countries of the

1882
01:09:31,269 --> 01:09:30,000
world russia united states england

1883
01:09:34,309 --> 01:09:31,279
canada

1884
01:09:35,990 --> 01:09:34,319
now it is just the manner in which to

1885
01:09:37,430 --> 01:09:36,000
announce it

1886
01:09:40,149 --> 01:09:37,440
what we have here is the tip of the

1887
01:09:42,309 --> 01:09:40,159
iceberg with the anti-gravity device the

1888
01:09:43,669 --> 01:09:42,319
flying saucer we've been discussing

1889
01:09:44,950 --> 01:09:43,679
there are many other things that the

1890
01:09:47,189 --> 01:09:44,960
technology offers

1891
01:09:49,510 --> 01:09:47,199
new medicine which allows limbs to be

1892
01:09:50,550 --> 01:09:49,520
regrown through electric field processes

1893
01:09:54,390 --> 01:09:50,560
and plasma

1894
01:09:57,350 --> 01:09:54,400
research bioplasma the tissue

1895
01:09:59,350 --> 01:09:57,360
restructuring we have devices which can

1896
01:10:01,510 --> 01:09:59,360
transmit power around the entire planet

1897
01:10:03,189 --> 01:10:01,520
without wires so that you can tune to

1898
01:10:04,709 --> 01:10:03,199
electricity stations like you would tune

1899
01:10:05,510 --> 01:10:04,719
to a radio station but it would run your

1900
01:10:07,030 --> 01:10:05,520
house or your

1901
01:10:08,709 --> 01:10:07,040
caravan or wherever you are in the bush

1902
01:10:11,110 --> 01:10:08,719
or the water or the air

1903
01:10:12,870 --> 01:10:11,120
we have theory now but i don't think any

1904
01:10:14,630 --> 01:10:12,880
practical devices that would allow us to

1905
01:10:16,630 --> 01:10:14,640
go faster than the speed of light

1906
01:10:19,189 --> 01:10:16,640
and traverse many light years of

1907
01:10:22,310 --> 01:10:19,199
distance in a very very short time

1908
01:10:24,070 --> 01:10:22,320
using the same technique that we used to

1909
01:10:26,709 --> 01:10:24,080
break the sound barrier where we

1910
01:10:28,149 --> 01:10:26,719
warp the shock wave perhaps this is

1911
01:10:30,149 --> 01:10:28,159
where star trek developed their

1912
01:10:31,510 --> 01:10:30,159
terminology warp factor 1 and warp

1913
01:10:34,709 --> 01:10:31,520
factor 2.

1914
01:10:36,310 --> 01:10:34,719
we have devices to make weapons which is

1915
01:10:37,669 --> 01:10:36,320
an unfortunate thing could be used for

1916
01:10:39,750 --> 01:10:37,679
other applications but

1917
01:10:42,550 --> 01:10:39,760
in transmitting power in little hand or

1918
01:10:46,470 --> 01:10:42,560
backpack units or even

1919
01:10:48,630 --> 01:10:46,480
on tops of the decks of ships that shoot

1920
01:10:50,790 --> 01:10:48,640
smoke rings or charged particle rings

1921
01:10:53,110 --> 01:10:50,800
like smoke rings at targets long

1922
01:10:54,149 --> 01:10:53,120
distances away and strike them with

1923
01:10:56,550 --> 01:10:54,159
enough force to

1924
01:10:58,790 --> 01:10:56,560
electrocute or burn the target depending

1925
01:11:00,470 --> 01:10:58,800
upon what frequencies are used

1926
01:11:02,470 --> 01:11:00,480
there are numerous things there is even

1927
01:11:04,630 --> 01:11:02,480
a way to use this process to control

1928
01:11:06,550 --> 01:11:04,640
mines at a distance of 10 to 15 miles

1929
01:11:07,910 --> 01:11:06,560
from a center central transmitter

1930
01:11:09,990 --> 01:11:07,920
where people aren't even aware of it

1931
01:11:13,110 --> 01:11:10,000
during their sleep some

1932
01:11:14,070 --> 01:11:13,120
what like post hypnotic suggestion this

1933
01:11:34,970 --> 01:11:14,080
in the wrong hands

1934
01:11:34,980 --> 01:12:10,470
[Music]

1935
01:12:15,110 --> 01:12:13,189
we have to have 15 million witnesses